What can we learn about embodiment from an octopus? And what does that have to do with neurodiversity and empathy? Julia and Victoria discuss all this and more with their friend Cayla, whose special interest is octopuses, as they dig deeper into The Soul of an Octopus by Sy Montgomery.

“I just love her so much... I would gladly be in a one-sided friendship with Michelle Obama. I would submit myself to that kind of heartbreak.” - Simone Stevens, guest for this episode, in which Julia and Victoria discuss Becoming by Michelle Obama